The Scriptures v. JST....again
Well, I ran into another vital contradiction between the Bible and the Joseph Smith Translation. So far I have not received a response.
Here is what I found while reading through Romans iv.2-5. In the Bible, we see:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
That is taken from the KJV, but the Greek confirms the translation. Now, here we have the same four verses from the JST:
2 For if Abraham were justified by the law of works, he hath to glory in himself; but not of God.
3 For what saith the Scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him who is justified by the law of works, is the reward reckoned, not of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that seeketh not to be justified by the law of works, but believeth on him who justifieth not the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
The most astounding statement out of there (I know, there are quite a few you can pick out) was in verse 5: "but believeth on him who justifieth not the ungodly."
Wha!?! Wha!?! What was that? Surely these cannot run perpendicular? Surely only one of these "translations" can be correct? Will the LDS take the position they often take (not in public however) and say the JST is correcting the corrupted text of the Bible? Or will they call to question what the JST says? Does God justify the ungodly or not?
ADDENDUM
I just received a response from one particular Mormon. He said that either rendition fits in LDS teaching. Hmmmmmm. What? I guess in a Calvinist way this can be true, contingent on God's choosing who to justify (in some way), but I just don't think so. This is yet another problem with respect to LDS "apologists," professional or amateur, who are simply not intellectually honest. They would rather not deal with the text in question.
Here is what I found while reading through Romans iv.2-5. In the Bible, we see:
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
That is taken from the KJV, but the Greek confirms the translation. Now, here we have the same four verses from the JST:
2 For if Abraham were justified by the law of works, he hath to glory in himself; but not of God.
3 For what saith the Scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him who is justified by the law of works, is the reward reckoned, not of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that seeketh not to be justified by the law of works, but believeth on him who justifieth not the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
The most astounding statement out of there (I know, there are quite a few you can pick out) was in verse 5: "but believeth on him who justifieth not the ungodly."
Wha!?! Wha!?! What was that? Surely these cannot run perpendicular? Surely only one of these "translations" can be correct? Will the LDS take the position they often take (not in public however) and say the JST is correcting the corrupted text of the Bible? Or will they call to question what the JST says? Does God justify the ungodly or not?
ADDENDUM
I just received a response from one particular Mormon. He said that either rendition fits in LDS teaching. Hmmmmmm. What? I guess in a Calvinist way this can be true, contingent on God's choosing who to justify (in some way), but I just don't think so. This is yet another problem with respect to LDS "apologists," professional or amateur, who are simply not intellectually honest. They would rather not deal with the text in question.
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